MIX08 Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon (1 of 10)

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The first of ten parts of the MIX08 talk on the story of the Microsoft Office 2007 ribbon, from the Office user interface team. It tells how the team studied how people used Office and redesigned its interface around that.

HN treats it as the standard account of data-driven UI design, and points to it to explain why the ribbon exists and how thoroughly it was tested.

“he certainly made a good case for how the older interface had accumulated way too much cruft”

13 comments from Hacker News

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@danybittel2024 · in “Why is it called the Ribbon? (2005)”
There is a really great talk on how the ribbon was invented: ▶ this video (first of ten parts)
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@saratogacx2024 · in “Golden Rules of Interface Design (2013)”
There's an old MIX08 video where some guys from MS actually talk through the design process and everything that went into it with a lot of depth as well as looking at alternative ideas and why they didn't work. ▶ this video
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@iso8859-12024 · in “The Ribbon by Jensen Harris (2008) [video]”
Submitted the video to Hacker News.
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@_dain_2023 · in “The MS Office Ribbon [video]”
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@nxc182019 · in “Most software companies ignore user behavior”
There’s a lot of interesting history that I think this comment ignores. The office 2007 project was one of their more heavily feedback-driven initiatives; had they been paying attention the same way for Windows 8, it likely would have looked a lot more like Windows 10. Really interesting talk: ▶ this video They had really good reasons for using the ribbon, not the least of which was that people weren’t finding the features they needed. That was all driven by telemetry back before it was considered the evilest of evils. I’m amazed that you’re still bitter after 13 years. Afaict actual user preference is strongly for the ribbon, minus a very vocal minority that were bothered by the change. Office 2007 was in fact not the boon for OpenOffice that was predicted. edit: tone, realized it came across as not as respectful as I intended
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@mixmax2009 · in “Presentation of UI development behind Office 2007 (100 min. video)”
Submitted the video to Hacker News.
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@troupo2025 · in “Users only care about 20% of your application”
With Word especially (and probably with any software approaching anything that can be viewed as professional) the long tail is unbelievably long, and "users only care about 20% of your application" may actually become "users may only care about 20% where no two users share the same 20%". Here's Microsoft's own research on it from an era when people were actually doing research: link --- start quote --- Beyond the top 10 commands or so, however, the curve flattens out considerably. The percentage difference in usage between the #100 command ("Accept Change") and the #400 command ("Reset Picture") is about the same in difference between #1 and #11 ("Change Font Size") --- end quote --- The whole series is great: link and there's a presentation, too: ▶ this video
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@ghaff2020 · in “LibreOffice: The Next Five Years”
I never loved the ribbon and I suspect that Microsoft underestimated how disruptive the change was for a lot of people. However, I saw a presentation by one of the lead designers around the time that it was introduced and he certainly made a good case for how the older interface had accumulated way too much cruft. ADDED: Ah, this is probably it: ▶ this video (That said, MS Office in general had been loaded with so many functions that 1% of users used but that were absolutely essential to some 1% that it's something of a mess anyway. It's one reason I prefer the relative simplicity of GSuite these days.)
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@richev2018 · in “Ask HN: Anyone from Google here? The new Gmail UI is painful”
I actually really liked it when Office 2007 introduced the ribbon, in particular when I understood the rationale behind it (which was covered at MIX08[0]). ▶ this video
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@brudgers2016 · in “Announcing .NET Core 1.0”
The Story of the Ribbon video about Microsoft and data driven design. ▶ this video
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@brudgers2014 · in “Ubuntu desktop moving application menus back into application windows”
I have a third theory: The theory behind Unity was a theory and not based on empirical data collected from actual users. I am not comparing the design process to focus groups etc. but to the UX design methodology described in The Story of the Ribbon. ▶ this video
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@brudgers2012 · in “Introducing the HUD. Say hello to the future of the menu”
I doubt it was to the degree Microsoft tested the ribbon: ▶ this video