Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud

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A Not Just Bikes video arguing that the noise people blame on cities mostly comes from cars. It compares the soundscape of quiet Dutch and European streets with car-heavy ones, and looks at noise sources such as mopeds and at how traffic noise could be reduced.

HN people recommend it as an eye-opening case that traffic noise is something we take for granted and that proven fixes exist, often when noise and car-centric planning come up.

“I recently watched this video which made me think maybe we're taking the loudness of traffic for granted”

25 comments from Hacker News

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@oblio2025 · in “Accepting US car standards would risk European lives”
Watch his video. Pick 2-3 at random, be a grown up and ignore the tone of voice and the snarkiness, and see what his points are. They're very solid. Try something like this: ▶ this video link
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@fayten2025 · in “Pontevedra, Spain declares its entire urban area a "reduced traffic zone"”
This depends on how you define ROI. Car infrastructure and lack of density reduces tax revenue for cities and strains infrastructure. There are other human benefits to reducing car traffic and use in favor of public transportation: * Reduces air pollution * Noise pollution * Allows a focus on human centric urban planning * Allows for higher density commercial and residential increasing tax revenue * Reduces pedestrian traffic injury Well done video essays: Parking minimums link Noise pollution ▶ this video Infrastructure strain link More on Infrastructure and Sprawl link Articles: link's%20less%20expensive%20than%20owning,to%20take%20further%20climate%20action. link link Climate town videos are all well researched and provide an enormous amount of follow-up content from their sources. Generally, I care about all of the above and I perceive investments in public transportation to have a higher ROI. Some extra historical context is helpful too: link The book The Color of Law by Rothstein is worth a read. In the end there is a balance between public transportation and car dependency and right now the scales are leaning too much in favor of cars.
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@stephen_g2023 · in “Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads”
So true - there are some good video comparisons that really hit this home for me, like the Not Just Bikes video “Cities aren’t loud; Cars are loud” [1] 1. ▶ this video
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@masklinn2023 · in “Amsterdam to use “noise cameras” against too loud cars”
NJB has a video on the subject which is pretty astounding if you've never really considered it: ▶ this video It also specifically calls out mopeds: ▶ this video
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@cardanome2022 · in “ESG should be boiled down to one simple measure: emissions”
I don't get why I am getting such emotional responses. Most of the noise in cities comes from cars, that is a fact. Even dense cities can be fairly quiet. I suggest watching this video: ▶ this video Plus China has probably not the best building codes, the problem can be further improved by having proper sound isolation in homes. Dense cities mean you will have everything in walking distance. There will be much more space for parks and other areas of recreation.
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@CalRobert2022 · in “New York rolling out noise law, listening tech for souped-up speedsters”
I visited Copenhagen a while ago and one of the most remarkable things was how _quiet_ it was. Or rather, what I could hear. People talking, birdsong, passing bicycles, and just.... life. It hurt to leave. I still remember standing outside with my finger in my ear shouting in to my phone just barely able to hear people walking around in cities in California. Notjustbikes does a great video on this ▶ this video - "Cities Aren't Loud, Cars are Loud"
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@CalRobert2021 · in “The Sound of Silence: A Noise Map of the U.S.”
NotJustBikes does a great video on this ▶ this video Cities aren't Loud, Cars are Loud. Most "cities" in North America, to use the term generously, are miserable car sewers where you need to shout to have a conversation outside.
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@tdeck2021 · in “The slow collapse of Amazon’s drone delivery dream”
I recently watched this video which made me think maybe we're taking the loudness of traffic for granted: ▶ this video It seems that there are a number of proven solutions to reduce automobile noise when we put in the effort, which IMO is a huge benefit for quality of life.
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@gman20932026 · in “Honda is killing its EVs”
Not just bikes did collect some data for a youtube video here: (Skip to 13:03 for EVs specifically) ▶ this video In summary, ICE vehicles are louder, but not by as much as you might guess.
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@nebula88042026 · in “STFU”
Hopefully the rest of the world will eventually follow the Netherlands attempts to limit noise in cities by design [1]:▶ this video
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@dogsgobork2025 · in “Changes since congestion pricing started in New York”
I first heard the phrase used by parent in a video [1] by youtube channel Not Just Bikes, which found EVs to be similar to ICE cars at typical speeds. [1] ▶ this video
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@Mawr2025 · in “Congestion Pricing Is a Policy Miracle”
> So make cars pollute less Physically impossible to have them pollute less than methods of mass transportation. Mathematically, even. Just divide the number of people carried per pollution caused by cars vs trains, bikes, or even buses. There's nothing you can do to make cars competitive. > Figure out how to filter microplastics from our food and water "Just figure it out", ok. But even then, an ounce of prevention is worth the pound of a cure. > Figure out what's causing asthma in children A little random but ok. I'm guessing grinding up rubber and metal particles into the air right next to where said children live isn't the best for their lungs. > Not sure how obesity is related. Maybe improve the food supply? 1. Wake up 2. Walk 30 feet to your car 3. Sit as you drive to work 4. Spend 8 hours at your desk 5. Walk 30 feet to your car 6. Sleep 7. Why am I fat?! Maybe improve the food supply?! > A lot of these are solved with electric cars which are increasingly more competitive. Virtually none are, an electric car is still a car, see point 1. > Why force people to regress towards a worse product rather than address these technical issues? Highly dependent on your definition of worse; I'd argue the sort of streets and environments you can find in the Netherlands [1][2][3] are way better than in the US. Not everything is a technical issue that can simply be solved by better engineering. [1]: ▶ this video [2]: link [3]: link
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