Ted Talking Fast: How Computer Documents Got Dumbed Down-- and the Alternative

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Ted Nelson, the inventor of hypertext, argues in this talk that computer documents have been dumbed down and describes the alternative he has long proposed. It covers his critique of how documents and the web ended up the way they are.

HN people list it among favorite tech talks as more hypertext and UX material, and point to it as the full-length Nelson talk behind his ideas.

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@enkiv22018 · in “Ask HN: What is your favourite tech talk?”
Ted Nelson's Computers for Cynics probably doesn't contain technical information that's new to any of you, but Ted has a knack for reframing things in ways that make the arbitrariness of certain historical decisions clear: link On the subject of hypertext, The Web That Wasn't gives a nice history of the idea (for anybody who thinks it starts with TBL -- surprisingly many people!): link Another reframing-oriented talk is Clay Shirky's "It's not information overload, it's filter failure", which ultimately leads to Shirky suggesting the kinds of user-oriented filtering features that Mastodon has implemented: link At the intersection of neurology and information science, Peter Watts always has something interesting to say, and as a former marine biologist focusing on the nervous system of starfish, this is absolutely in his wheelhouse: link This one ("moving away from defensive programming") justified strong typing in a pretty clear way: link Dan Dennett is just as relevant as Doug Hofstadter when it comes to metacognition: link Forgotten Ideas in Computer Science starts slow, but if you don't have much of a historical background (like, if you're only vaguely aware of what happened in CS in the 70s), it's a laundry list of things you should look up and be aware of before you start your next project: link Everybody should understand procedural generation: link Likewise, since AI is hyped up right now, we should all remind ourselves that IA is a thing too: link More hypertext history: link Even more hypertext / UX stuff: ▶ this video A great explanation of Fourier transforms: link Allison Parrish does mindblowing things with corpus statistics by treating term vector spaces as generalizations of 2d image formats: link Finally, these aren't tech talks but instead UI demo reels. If you have any interest in UI or UX, you should watch them. They are wonderfully cheesy, mostly doable, and despite being more than 20 years old, nobody has bothered actually implementing the useful features shown: link link link
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@terminalcommand2018 · in “Ted Nelson on What Modern Programmers Can Learn from the Past [video]”
It is not this interview, but I found out that Ted Nelson has a Youtube Channel. The link is: link In there you can find interviews/talks in full length: For example: this might be of interest to you: Ted Talking Fast: How Computer Documents Got Dumbed Down-- and the Alternative ▶ this video
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@cornholio2018 · in “Ted Nelson struggles with uncomprehending radio interviewer (1979) [audio]”
A reference is appropriate: ▶ this video