Music Software & Interface Design: MuseScore

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Tantacrul (Martin Keary) critiques the interface and user experience of the MuseScore notation software in a long, humorous video. He walks through concrete usability problems, from menus to workflow, and what a better design would do instead.

HN treats it as an entertaining and informative UX teardown, famous for leading to the author being hired to redesign MuseScore.

“The team at musescore took the criticism in good humor, and hired the creator of the video”

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@derefr2026 · in “Audacity 4.0”
Alternately, if you want to go on the same journey Keary (the person you mention) went on to form an opinion on what constitutes good vs. bad UX design in music/notation/DAW software, they've also put out a whole series of videos taking the piss out of the UX of most of the software in the field: - Reason (link) - Sibelius (link) - MuseScore (▶ this video) - Dorico (link)
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@iscream262024 · in “Music Software and Interface Design: MuseScore (2019) [video]”
Submitted the video to Hacker News.
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@radicality2022 · in “MuseScore 4”
Obligatory funny video review of MuseScore 3 UI: ▶ this video Same author also has a funny video on the UI of another music notation program, Sibelius: link
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@meowface2021 · in “Audacity Aquired by Muse Group”
If anyone's curious, here are Tantacrul's entertaining videos on MuseScore and designing MuseScore's new font, and the Audacity video from yesterday: ▶ this video link link
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@hexmiles2020 · in “MuseScore 4: Moving from notation software to composition software”
they actually hired the person behind this video (tantacrul): ▶ this video It criticize the user interface and experience of various music application. I find it very entertaining yet still informative
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@xmprt2019 · in “The Distribution of Users’ Computer Skills: Worse Than You Think (2016)”
The solution isn't to put things in preference windows either because even smart users will find that cumbersome. There's an interesting pair of videos (if you have some time) that goes over the UI of two competing music scoring software and why one is bad and the other good. link ▶ this video
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@amiga3862024 · in “Printing Music with CSS Grid”
That's very much it. You could also make an analogy to the arts of typography and typesetting. It's of the same importance to a composer or musician that the notation is legible and beautiful, as it is to a graphic designer or reader that type and layout are legible and beautiful. If the GP is interested in the topic, there are great videos by Tantacrul on his experience redesigning the notation font for MuseScore [0] and his overview of MuseScore 4.0's engraving improvements [1] - in particular this second video, concerning mainly layout, shows just how far this CSS approach would have to go to have a truly legible, reflowable layout in the face of beams/slurs/ties. (I don't want to take away from anyone on the Sibelius team, they're likely even better experts on the subject than Tantacrul is, but as far as I know, they didn't make long-form Youtube videos about the topic! He also likely got the job of leading the MuseScore redesign thanks to his previous videos that critiqued and reimagined the interfaces of music composition software... including older versions of Sibelius [2] and MuseScore [3]) [0] link [1] link [2] link [3] ▶ this video
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@tasty_freeze2022 · in ““Compiling” Music”
Musescore is usable but isn't great. I haven't used lilypond, but I'm sure lilypond is miles better. The focus of musescore has changed over the past year or two, all triggered by a funny youtube sh*tpost criticizing its UI (it was one series of such videos taking shots at all the big notation programs). ▶ this video The guy who created it is a trifecta: a composer, a typographer, and UI expert. The team at musescore took the criticism in good humor, and hired the creator of the video (Tantacrul, aka Martin Keary) to help them change it. The first phase was getting rid of some low-hanging fruit in the UI department. That work is ongoing. The main focus of the next phase (musescore 4.0) is the quality of the layout. Some of those improvements already landed in musescore 3.6.
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@NickHoff2021 · in “Music Software and Bad Interface Design: Avid’s Sibelius (2018) [video]”
This guy also made a similarly acerbic video about MuseScore, a good open source scorewriter [1]. They actually took his criticisms and started making changes. The two ended up working together and I think he is now the design lead for MuseScore. 1: ▶ this video
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@ohazi2020 · in “Update on MuseScore 3.6 and 4.0”
For those out of the loop: Tantacrul is a composer who put together some hilariously scathing UI/UX video reviews for some popular composing software tools out there, including MuseScore [1] [2] [3]. The team developing MuseScore then brought him on as head of design. [1] Sibelius: link [2] MuseScore: ▶ this video [3] Dorico: link
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@karlding2020 · in ““LibreOffice is at serious risk””
I agree. GUIs are hard! On the other hand, it seems like Open Source has a lack of designers that are willing to contribute. For example, in Tantacrul's critique of MuseScore [0], there's issues highlighted that seem obvious in retrospect, but in Open Source projects, unless there's someone who drives the user experience, it's easy to miss all these small things that add up to signal (whether rightly or wrongly is besides the point) a lack of polish. [0] ▶ this video
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@dry_soup2020 · in “MuseScore 4: Moving from notation software to composition software”
Exciting news! This feels like a Blender 2.8-style project. What's funny about this is that a composer/music YouTuber/UX designer called Tantacrul meticulously roasted MuseScore's UI on YouTube, and the MuseScore team ended up hiring him, leading to this project. The video in question: ▶ this video