Music Software & Interface Design: Steinberg's Dorico

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Tantacrul (Martin Keary) critiques the interface design of Steinberg's Dorico music notation software, including first-time user testing. It is part of his series of music software UX reviews that also covers Sibelius and MuseScore.

HN people treat his music software series as the model of a sharp, funny UX critique and cite the Dorico video as evidence he does real user testing.

“Tantacrul is a composer who put together some hilariously scathing UI/UX video reviews for some popular composing software tools”

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@derefr2026 · in “Audacity 4.0”
Alternately, if you want to go on the same journey Keary (the person you mention) went on to form an opinion on what constitutes good vs. bad UX design in music/notation/DAW software, they've also put out a whole series of videos taking the piss out of the UX of most of the software in the field: - Reason (link) - Sibelius (link) - MuseScore (link) - Dorico (▶ this video)
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@oakesm92024 · in “LilyPond: Music notation for everyone”
Tantacrul’s series on the design of music notation software is well worth a watch ▶ this video
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@ohazi2020 · in “Update on MuseScore 3.6 and 4.0”
For those out of the loop: Tantacrul is a composer who put together some hilariously scathing UI/UX video reviews for some popular composing software tools out there, including MuseScore [1] [2] [3]. The team developing MuseScore then brought him on as head of design. [1] Sibelius: link [2] MuseScore: link [3] Dorico: ▶ this video
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@ianremsen2020 · in “Music Software and Interface Design: Steinberg's Dorico [video]”
Submitted the video to Hacker News.
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@lifthrasiir2021 · in “Audacity: Actions we propose to take on PR 835”
Tantacrul, the project lead for both MuseScore and Audacity, is a professional UI/UX designer and has once conducted a significant first-time user testing for Dorico [1], so I'm pretty sure that he already knows what you are saying. Given his latest video about Audacity [2] though, I guess that Audacity has a very diverse user base and it might be hard to do the user testing while accounting for that diversity (the article you've linked specifically mention this issue). [1] ▶ this video [2] link (includes an interview with original Audacity developers)
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@guitarbill2021 · in “I’m now in charge of Audacity [video]”
The MuseScore video is part entertainment, part critique. Personally, I don't think it's fair to dismiss it so quickly. He's very knowledgable in the field of music notation software, and is in a smaller niche of having used several of them professionally (most people stick to one or two). In another video on Dorico [0], he did user testing. So he's not just pulling things out his ass. It's easy to hate. MuseScore is better due to his involvement. The FOSS community should be more welcoming to UX devs in general, and especially who have a methodical approach and actually listen. Maybe wait and reserve judgement. [0] ▶ this video
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@jasode2021 · in “Music Software and Bad Interface Design: Avid’s Sibelius (2018) [video]”
Well, the founders of Sibelius created another music notation software called Dorico[1]. Is Dorico's UI more consistent? Does it address many of the issues of this video's criticism? Or put another way, does being a green-field software project allow the freedom to create a sane UI? Or did it have to deliberately copy may of Sibelius' faults so migrating users can quickly get up to speed with Dorico? (Analogous to MS Excel copying Lotus 123 buggy leap year of 1900 to be more compatible.) EDIT -- just noticed same uploader also made a 1 hour video about Dorico[2] but not sure if answers my questions. [1] link [2] ▶ this video
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@Nullabillity2020 · in “Linux Sucks 2020”
Tantacrul did one on MuseScore[0] (a music composing program), and ended up getting hired as their head of design[1]. [0]: link [1]: Mentioned in ▶ this video but don't have the exact timestamp