Notation Must Die: The Battle For How We Read Music

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A long Tantacrul video, made by the UX designer who leads MuseScore, on the history of Western music notation and the many attempts to replace or simplify it. It explains the tradeoffs behind the current system and why alternative notations have mostly failed.

HN people call it the obligatory long-form watch on notation, a great account of why attempts to make music easier to read fail, told by someone with UX design expertise.

“This is by the way a great explanation of all the attempts to make music easier to read and how they fail”

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@PaulDavisThe1st2024 · in “Musical Notation for Modular Synthesizers”
Obligatory (long-form) watch if you're going to continue wondering about this: ▶ this video "Notation must die" by Tantacrul
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@GuB-422026 · in “Show HN: XY Music Notation”
There is a pretty good video about it by a MuseScore developer: ▶ this video It goes through the history of music notations, explain the choices made by the current system, the criticism, and then compare it to a variety of alternatives. It is essentially as you said, but with 1h16 worth of detail.
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@JennyWeston2026 · in “Show HN: XY Music Notation”
I love this video and it's explanation of music notation, attempts to improve music notation, and a long history of failure. TL;DR Efficiency, high context, and compact notation. ▶ this video The video is excellent.
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@TonyTrapp2026 · in “Show HN: XY Music Notation”
Great video by Tantacrul about all the other previous attempts at "fixing" music notation, well worth a watch: ▶ this video
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@Lio2026 · in “Audacity 4.0”
Indirectly related his video on music notation itself, "Notation Must Die: The Battle For How We Read Music"[1], is really good IMHO. > Many people feel that western notation makes it unnecessarily hard to read music. If we want to sight read, learn music theory or just practice an instrument, surely there's a better way? Right? This has been a hot topic for almost 1000 years... AND I PUT IT TO BED RIGHT HERE! 1. ▶ this video
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@bonzini2026 · in “Music Theory for Programmers”
I think what he means as music theory is the next step after what this (blatantly AI-written, but passable) article talks about. This is the part that you take for granted, but it certainly is music theory in the same way that Peano's axioms are number theory even though you don't use them explicitly. The AI style gets boring very quickly, but I liked the explanation of what Western music notation is optimized for. For more information on this, there's a great and long video at ▶ this video (Edit: I wrote this around the same time as the reply, which more or less confirmed my hunch)
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@Slow_Hand2026 · in “Ear Training Practice”
If you want an excellent explanation of why proposals for new notation systems like you’re suggesting have been developed (and failed) Tantacrul has made an excellent video describing the history and tradeoffs that lead us to our current system: ▶ this video He’s product lead at MuseGroup developing notation software and his expertise lies at the intersection of music composition, UX design, and programming.
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@midenginedcoupe2025 · in “Show HN: See chords as flags – Visual harmony of top composers on musescore”
Pro jazz trombonist here. All there is to usefully say about piano roll notation, with or without colours has pretty much already been said. And if you want more (much more) detail, then Tantacrul (designer on MuseScore) has done a great video. ▶ this video The only useful head's up I can give is the current position marker on your playback is quite a long way behind the audio, around 1-2 beats on the one piece I tried.
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@javier1234543212024 · in “Playing guitar tablatures in Rust”
Super cool, great job. Looks like a really fun project. This really highlights why sheet notation is so much better at describing music than tablature. The advantage of tabs is that they tell you which version of the same note to play (You can play the same note in up to 6 places in the guitar). However, sheet notation tells you precisely the duration of each note, and can often include the intended articulation. Writing music is fascinating, here is an excellent breakdown of different systems which have been developed, and how they came to be: ▶ this video
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@PaulDavisThe1st2024 · in “Analysis of Bach's information-dense music”
▶ this video "Notation Must Die" ... excellent deep-ish dive into music notation by the inimitable Tantacrul
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@oriolid2024 · in “Apple Vision Pro review”
The problem is that once you get past the very initial stage, you want to read ahead of what you play at the moment. At that moment Synthesia-style falling blocks notation becomes difficult to read because the blocks don't have any position reference besides the keys and no time values. Even the scrolling sheet music or tab is distracting compared stationary black and white. With guitar there's the additional problem that you can't see both hands at the same time, and usually you won't be looking at your hands at all. And if you ever want to play without help from the app, you need to learn to find the notes anyway. This is by the way a great explanation of all the attempts to make music easier to read and how they fail: ▶ this video
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@jacquesm2024 · in “Notation Must Die: The Battle for How We Read Music [video]”
Submitted the video to Hacker News.
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