The Grille Trend that Kills 509 People per Year

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FortNine, a motorcycle-focused channel, examines how the tall, blunt front ends and large grilles of modern trucks and SUVs affect pedestrian and rider safety. It looks at data on frontal area and fatalities and shows how oversized the hoods are.

HN people use it as the clear, data-backed explanation of how vehicle front-end styling makes American roads deadlier, and cite it in any thread about truck bloat.

“it's possible to stand inside the mostly empty engine bays of these things as FortNine showed”

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@stickfigure2025 · in “Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again”
FortNine did a great rundown on this phenomenon last year: "Grilles That Kill" ▶ this video
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@mech9752024 · in “What to do about America's killer cars”
CAFE standards were written in such a way as to encourage large vehicle footprints to work around the requirements of the standards. Motorcycling youtuber fortnine offers a good view on some other aspects of the situation. ▶ this video
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@mey2024 · in “The US finally takes aim at truck bloat”
FortNine explored the data on frontal area and deaths in this excellent video ▶ this video
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@Workaccount22024 · in “A road safety plan that will lead to cars communicating with each other”
People just love trucks that are practically purpose built to kill pedestrians and motorcyclists. ▶ this video Thank you Ryan from Fortnine.
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@hindsightbias2024 · in “The Grille Trend That Kills 509 People per Year [video]”
Submitted the video to Hacker News.
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@CHB04030854822024 · in “Grille Trend That Kills 509 People in USA per Year”
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@genxy2026 · in “The deadly rise of giant trucks and SUVs”
The Grille Trend that Kills 509 People per Year ▶ this video video discussed previously link These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us link The original designer wanted the truck to feel like you were driving a fist, punching through the air. So we are killing people so that the driver can have an aggressive aesthetic. And the design has spread like a contagious meme, even BMWs have it now.
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@brikym2026 · in “The deadly rise of giant trucks and SUVs”
These are the epitome of individualism. It's a Fuck you I'm safe. They're even designed to look like fists. Here is a quote from General Motors truck designer Karan Moorjani: “I remember wanting it to make it feel very locomotive… my first week in Detroit I was driving through downtown and seeing the fist of Joe Louis, and remember thinking that’s what this truck should look like – a massive fist moving through the air.” ... we spent a lot of time making sure that when you stand in front of this thing it looks like it’s going to come get you. It’s got that pissed-off feel, but not in a boyish way, still looking mature. It just had to have that imposing look,” explained the GM designer." The design of these things is deliberately antisocial. The huge hood is not even needed since it's possible to stand inside the mostly empty engine bays of these things as FortNine showed: ▶ this video But it's not just the hood heights wrong with modern vehicles. Multiple design trends are hostile to other road users and reduce safety equality if you will. - Headlight hues are white and blinding - Headlight positioning has increased with the hood height which tends to blind people. - The pillars in vehicles are really thick and raked which is safer for the occupants but also means visibility is reduced. Great, so now people in bigger, newer, safer vehicles are more likely to hit pedestrians and people in older, smaller vehicles. - Windows are more tinted and often smaller meaning vehicles are opaque walls now which hinders visibility and communication at intersections.
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@stickfigure2026 · in “UAE to leave OPEC”
It isn't about weight, it's way stupider than that: ▶ this video Tall grilles are a purely aesthetic choice. We could create safety standards for pedestrian impacts and end this inane trend. And still drive trucks!
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@bryanlarsen2025 · in “Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again”
Pickups are about 10 inches taller now than they used to be. That seems like a lot to me. According to the youtube video that a different commenter linked (▶ this video), lowering the hood height by 10 inches will make the truck 81% less likely to kill a kid in a collision.
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@YeGoblynQueenne2025 · in “'Safety Today Is a Luxury,' Giorgetto Giugiaro Says After His Crash”
And yet, observational data suggests that driving a huge car makes it harder for you to get injured an easier for everyone else. For example: "First off, the vitriol against large vehicles is misplaced. The larger the vehicle, the safer for its occupants". ▶ this video "American roads are deadliest than ever for pedestrians, cyclists, and, most of all, motorcyclists". ▶ this video
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@stickfigure2025 · in “My quest to make motorcycle riding that tad bit safer”
Fortnine did a video on Grilles That Kill: ▶ this video They're hideous too.